Return-Path: Received: from mail.pooserville.com ([208.189.74.27] verified) by mail.stalker.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 30943057 for SIMS@mail.stalker.com; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:35:42 -0800 Received-SPF: none receiver=mail.stalker.com; client-ip=208.189.74.27; envelope-from=dave-cgpro@pooserville.com Received: from [12.106.209.162] (account dave-cgpro@pooserville.com HELO [192.168.67.26]) by mail.pooserville.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id 142424 for SIMS@mail.stalker.com; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:35:14 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:35:31 -0600 Subject: Re: SIMS replacements (was: two other topics!) From: Dave Pooser To: SIMS Discussions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > My current feeling is that I should bite the bullet and go for Communigate > Pro. Partially to say thanks to Stalker for SIMS, partially because it is > effectively platform-agnostic, and partially because if it is as reliable > as SIMS I will sleep at night. Stalker recently significantly changed their pricing structure to enforce groupware on customers <30,000 accounts, and upped their prices significantly. (I have a 200-user license that cost $1000; today a 100-user license costs $2300ish.) They also started charging an 18% annual maintenance fee after a one-year period, and holders of previous versions who wanted to get back on the upgrade train had to spend 35% of the current license price. (In my own case, I was able to shave my accounts down to 100 users, which meant I had the option of paying $805 up front and $414 annually after the first year to maintain my $1000 mail server.) But the part that really made me rethink dealing with them was that they applied those changes retroactively. Their license had always stated that they reserved the right to charge for upgrades starting two years after license purchase; however, when they applied the maintenance charge they also insisted that anybody who did not pay maintenance was obligated to downgrade to the current version as of the expiration of their two years' free upgrades. In fact, Vladimir Butenko suggested those of us who were using current versions of CGPro that came out more than two years after initial license purchase were analogous to people who tried their door keys on other houses in their neighborhood hoping to find a match. They later relented, and decided that those who purchased CGPro before November '01 could upgrade to version 4.1.8 at no charge, while those who purchased after that point could upgrade to the current version as of November 30 2004; however, their earlier statements and the completely "out of the blue" nature of this announcement made me reluctant to work with such an unpredictable company. I'm currently setting up Exim as an SMTP front end and while in the short term it'll be handing mail off to CGPro for local delivery in the longer run I'll probably migrate to an open-source backend as well. Free-as-in-beer isn't a huge advantage for me, but after watching a vendor go irrational free-as-in-freedom has a great deal of appeal. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief Pooserville.com "This administration cannot be trusted to govern if it cannot be counted on to think and, having thought, to have second thoughts."-- George Will 5/4/04