Mailing List Message #15228
From: Alex von Thorn <>
Subject: Re: Use Verizon Solely for Send?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:59:33 -0400
To: SIMS Discussions <>
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Two web domains does not require two web servers. I run half a dozen web domains on a single machine. (Actually, I horribly abuse the poor beast, running Apache in MacOS X and SIMS in Classic mode on the same old G3. Sometimes I watch DVDs too. <g>) To use Apache 2.0 for virtual hosts, see

There are many ways to do what you want to do:
* Your router needs to do NAT and PAT.
* Your web server can use multiple IP addresses (MacOS X and Apache both support this).
* You may not need multiple internal IP addresses for a single port.

You may need someone conversant with UNIX-based networking to help you. It's not opaque rocket science, but just trying to do it by reading documentation may be a bit daunting.

At 5/9/2006 03:54 PM, Peter Jones wrote:
Well, yes, but I want to put a total of 5 computers (2 servers and 3
client machines) on the DSL modem, and they're all sharing one public
IP address. So wouldn't I have to put in a DHCP router on the user
side of the DSL modem? That would give 192.168.0.X LAN addresses to
each of the servers and computers. I don't understand how to set up a
DHCP router such that both "" and "" share the
same external IP address, and HTTP (port 80) calls to are
segregated from calls to and routed to the appropriate
server. If there's a way to do it, I'd love to know.

I deal with a company that is very successfully using to do
just this task. They have servers all over the country, most are on
dynamic IP DSL lines, and all of them are just running a dns2go client
that keeps the records up to date with the correct IP address.

I'm assuming that each of these servers are on dynamic IP lines --
one server per dynamic IP address. I need two servers one one dynamic
IP address. Problem, yes?

The other thing to check is be sure Verizon does not offer a static
They do offer them in some areas for DSL service. However, I
believe you
do need to get a business class account to get a static IP (and it
is a
slightly higher charge then the same service using dynamic IP).

I spoke to the Verizon Sales Drone today and she stated unequivocally
that static IP blocks are not available in my area. I was talking
about Business-class service, so I was surprised ... I continue to be
unimpressed with Verizon's "technology."

If I've not confused everyone at this time ... any known problems
with this approach? Will Verizon's configuration allow me to retrieve
mail from a non-Verizon server?

Verizon does not block any other services or ports to the best of my
knowledge. Verizon really doesn't care what you do with the internet
access you get from them. Host all the servers you want, saturate your
connection 24x7x365... they don't really give a darn.

I guess that's the core of my concern. If Verizon doesn't block port
110 traffic then I can go through Verizon to get to my mailservers
and pull down mail going back to my clients. Sure, it'll be slow
(IDSL, 128K), but that's OK since (any more) email isn't real-time; a
four-minute delay in getting mail is not a big crisis.

I am planning on sending via the Verizon servers, with my reply-to
and from addresses clearly identifying that the reply address is my
own SIMS server.

The only gotcha with Verizon is their mail servers can be sucky for
inbound mail.

I've lived that movie, VZ is a pain to deal with if you are trying to
send mail to them. Another reason just to use the send side of their
servers. That's why I'm still using SIMS; yes, it's old, but it does
what is needed without a lot of pain and administration.

So my thought is: Use the Verizon mail servers for outbound mail and
web surfing only, and still have my inbound mail servers and my
hosted web servers on the IDSL line.

If you really want to go that route, you should have no problems
doing it
with Verizon DSL service. Run your server on your IDSL line with
IP, and do everything else over your Verizon DSL line. Verizon
won't care
or stop you.
That's what my plan is, I guess the only way to find out is to try.
At least they offer a 30-day money-back if the sucka doesn't work.

Thanks for your comments and time ....


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Alex von Thorn

"Allow the President to invade another nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose -- and you allow him to make war at pleasure."  -- Rep. A. Lincoln (W., Ill.), 1848, regarding the US invasion of Mexico
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