Mailing List Message #15509
From: Bill Cole <>
Subject: Re: Forwarding user's email with lots o' spam to Yahoo
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:35:18 -0400
To: SIMS Discussions <>
At 4:37 PM -0400 7/21/07, Joe Wagner  imposed structure on a stream of electrons, yielding:
Hi Folks,
        Here's the situation. I have a user who's address(es) gets a lot of spam for her business address(es) that I host. Between Polustop and her own spam filtering, most of the couple thousand daily spam get filtered out and she manually deals with the rest. However, as a backup starting from way back when she asked and I setup that her email also gets forwarded on to her yahoo account, which has different filters and so perhaps gives her a chance of noticing email that she'd miss on her primary account.

Good enough. It seems to work for her and she says she's caught important work messages she'd otherwise miss (which proportion of yahoo's different filters, versus the simple additional separate visual inspection by her of her In box is unknown).

However, for a while now, Yahoo apparently filters at reception and not surprisingly disconnects with a message body rejected notice based on a certain number of emails being sent with spam content -- but does not give a fatal error for the offending message, prompting messages building up in the queue with:
message text rejected by 451 Message temporarily deferred - [70]
message text rejected by 451 Message temporarily deferred - [170]

This would cause other users problems when their email gets stuck in the yahoo backlog but I SIMS mail servers (and CG servers) that don't normally send out bound email that I simply routed her outgoing stream through one of them.

She is a long time customer, and the current setup works for both of use, though the backlog of messages get fairly large.

In other words, it really does not work.

I could suggest she gets a Gmail account, but in the alternative, is there a way for me or her to tell Yahoo let this stream flow?

Not reliably. Yahoo seems to change their minds on how to get good delivery fairly frequently. will get you to some help, but you might have to vist regularly to keep up.

I tell people the truth: Yahoo just sucks and they need to get some other mail service that doesn't suck if they can't tolerate it. The same holds for Hotmail.

Bill Cole                        

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